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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject: Nudity in thumbnails? Is it OK now?
I thought nudity was not allowed in thumbnails, yet in your store you show the "chimera by salomee" thumbnail showing breasts and pubic area. Not only that, but that same thumbnail was sent to everybody that receives your newsletter, including potentially under-age people. The part about sending images containing nudity in your newsletter has happened many times before, but it seems you can't do anything about it. Why is that? It is not difficult (proofreading before mass-mailing might help). I sent an e-mail regarding the newsletter but haven't heard from anybody and seeing the thumbnail in the store it just seems like the site is kinda left on automatic.
Joined: Jun 10, 2002 Posts: 769 Location: Ontario, Canada
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:16 am Post subject: Re: Nudity in thumbnails? Is it OK now?
Nudity in thumbnails has never been restricted in the store. It's the galleries that have the no nudity rules. As for the newsletter... I've mentioned that myself, but I don't really know how the newletter is produced (i.e. manually or through some automated system), so I can't give you a decent answer. _________________ Jim Harnock - ODS
www.OrcaDesignStudios.com
Eddie, the store thumbnail has been fixed and you were answered.
I'm getting a little tired of you whining about this after it has been explained to you several times that the TOS rule about nudity covers the forums and the galleries. Please READ IT. We do try to keep nudity out of the thumbnail and the main image in the store, but we do warn people that there may be nudity in the store. And yes, I make a mistake now and then. So does my store manager. It happens. We're human. It's been nearly a year since the last time this happened. I hardly think that constitutes "constantly". Get over it.
I'm very sorry you are upset because two of your images were deleted and you don't know why. Please tell me who you contacted. It wasn't me and I see no posts about it. Perhaps your email never reached the intended party or theirs never reached you. Trying again would be a better solution than harrassing me and making posts every time you see a bit of skin in the store.
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Nudity in thumbnails? Is it OK now?
eferrier wrote:
I thought nudity was not allowed in thumbnails, yet in your store you show the "chimera by salomee" thumbnail showing breasts and pubic area. Not only that, but that same thumbnail was sent to everybody that receives your newsletter, including potentially under-age people.
Nudity is not allowed in gallery thumbnails or in gallery images/forum images. That is standing site policy and has been from the beginning, and is listed as such in the ToS.
Nudity being disallowed in store thumbnails and store main page images is a Store Administration guideline, not a site policy, which is why it is not listed in the Terms of Service. We reccommend that vendors submit images with no nudity for thumbnail and main pic: our general rule of thumb is "no nudity in store thumbs and main image".
However, I have and will relax that on occassion as I deem fit, or make an exception if it's the best way to display a product properly.
As Store Admin, I make that decision on an item by item basis. Yes, it is arbitrary. Yes it is a judgement call. Yes, I do make it knowing that the occassional site prude will have an issue with it. Yes, it isn't designed to make everyone who views the store or newsletter happy. It's designed to make decisions that will best display and sell the product.
No, I'm not going to change that. Sorry if it makes you unhappy. Deal with it. On rare occassions, I'll think it over, and decide to change the thumbnail to a better one for the product.
NONE of this in any way has any effect on the ToS rules on nudity in gallery images, gallery thumbs, or forum images. If an nude image is posted in any of those places, then when it's noticed, Sharby, BillyBob, Xena, Sturk, or ODS *will* delete it, and they won't apologise for doing so. Nor will I apologise on their behalf for their doing their jobs. If they notice a nude thumb in the store, they'll ask me about it and see if I meant to do that or not. This generally happens in Mods forum.
I do hope this clears up the confusion.
Considering that I'm the main site admin and store admin here [Store Admin for both DTG STudios stores], you may wish to email me in the future on store issues, rather than taking Diane's time, as she forwards store emails to me anyway. It will save a step in the proccess.
Thank you,
- Ironbear
Animotions Site Administrator and DTG Studios Store Admin
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Nudity in thumbnails? Is it OK now?
Woah! Harrassing? Shame shame. I wasn't answered before I posted here. I think you are going over the top with the harrassing bit.
"...whining about this after it has been explained to you several times that the TOS rule about nudity covers the forums and the galleries...".
When did I complain before about nudity in the store? Only in this post. The e-mail I sent you was about you sending nudity in the newsletter, no mention about the store, so when else did you have the opportunity to explain it to me before? You seem to have missed the point seeing as you are making this solely about the store. I do understand that people are warned about nudity in the store, I guess I just assumed that didn't include thumbnails, just images where the product is being shown. My goof. You're right the TOS says nothing about nude thumbnails in the store. My point is that you're not being careful enough when sending things to people's inboxes. Yes, people make mistakes, I know, that's not the point.
"Constantly?"...Where did I use the word "constantly"? Not here, not in my e-mail.
"...has happened many times before..." is what I said, which it has. It has happened several times before.
"Get over it"...OK, fine.
Eddie
P.S I have nothing against nudity. I'm not upset about nudity. Most of my images (in another gallery) have nudity. that's not the point either.
We're as careful as we can be. Yet, we are only human and we are dealing with vendors who also are only human.
If you think you can do a better job, I could certainly use some help on the newsletter. I run two sites and two stores and put out two newsletter each week. Volunteering to help would be taken a lot better than lecturing us about it after the fact. Letting me know is one thing. Getting snarky about it is another.
OK. My bad. Complaining about the newsletter, which you have done several times and the TOS has been explained to you before. You made this post not long after you sent me the email according to the time stamps. You really didn't give me time to answer you.
You seem to have some kind of chip on your shoulder and it comes across very clearly in your communications. So, what REALLY is the problem here?
And I still don't have an answer. Who did you contact about your images being deleted?
Last edited by DTHUREGRIF on Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:14 pm; edited 1 time in total
When did I complain before about nudity in the store? Only in this post. The e-mail I sent you was about you sending nudity in the newsletter, no mention about the store, so when else did you have the opportunity to explain it to me before?
My distinct reccollection was that this was the 3rd or possibly 4th occassion that Diane's relayed to me concerns/complaints that you've made about nudity in thumbnails in the store specifically. Hence the "several times".
It wouldn't have caught my attention otherwise, it would have been relayed to Sharby or one of the other [gallery/site] admins had it been a gallery thumb or image on the previous ones.
I don't consider the question, the complaint, or the clarification a problem. Disingenously misrepresenting something that I can doublecheck from my email files and Icq logs, however, does try my notoriously limited patience.
I believe that you are in error on the number of times you've passed on this specific complaint. _________________ "I'd add a legitimate comment here, but that would mean reading everything, which I have no patience for." - Slynky
Joined: May 30, 2002 Posts: 487 Location: Ohio - USA
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:10 am Post subject: Re: Nudity in thumbnails? Is it OK now?
Alright everybody breath, take a deep breath and look at my thong....is everyone happy now?
Remember everyone here is human, we all make mistakes and none of us (as far as I know) do this professionally (as far as getting paid to run the site/store) so no one will ever be happy all the time.
There are things about the site that some people don't like or agree with, same with admins same with mods, it's not going to be perfect it never will. Will we as members and admins try to do our best...yes, but again things at times will slip through.
At least here you don't have to pay a $1,000 credit to a customer because an ad was out of register, but enough about my job......did I mention my thong??
Is that the European or the African Thong? _________________ "I'd add a legitimate comment here, but that would mean reading everything, which I have no patience for." - Slynky
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: Nudity in thumbnails? Is it OK now?
Diane, what is my point? My point is clear and concise in the original e-mail I sent you. Read it. And you are correct; I made this post after I e-mailed you. I e-mailed you about the newsletter because the newsletter came from you. I did not mention the store at all in my e-mail. Then I noticed the store, which is separate from the newsletter and made this post and yes, I do mention the newsletter in the post as a reference. Lesson learned on what not to do. (I’ll e-mail you with the details on the deleted images. This whole matter just detracts from the point.)
Ironbear, I really appreciate your responses, they are informative and to the point. However I don’t think I have complained about the store in the past. I have indeed pointed out the nudity in the newsletter 3 or possibly 4 times , and that information may very well have been passed on to you because the same thumbnails may or may not be used for both, I don’t know. I definitely haven’t complained about the store 3 or 4 times in the past, and this you can check. No need to call me dishonest, because I am not.
Anyway… Sharby, I agree with you. It is time to see your thong.
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Nudity in thumbnails? Is it OK now?
Diane, what is my point? My point is clear and concise in the original e-mail I sent you. Read it. And you are correct; I made this post after I e-mailed you. I e-mailed you about the newsletter because the newsletter came from you. I did not mention the store at all in my e-mail. Then I noticed the store, which is separate from the newsletter and made this post and yes, I do mention the newsletter in the post as a reference. Lesson learned on what not to do. (I’ll e-mail you with the details on the deleted images. This whole matter just detracts from the point.)
Ironbear, I really appreciate your responses, they are informative and to the point. However I don’t think I have complained about the store in the past. I have indeed pointed out the nudity in the newsletter 3 or possibly 4 times , and that information may very well have been passed on to you because the same thumbnails may or may not be used for both, I don’t know. I definitely haven’t complained about the store 3 or 4 times in the past, and this you can check. No need to call me dishonest, because I am not.
Anyway… Sharby, I agree with you. It is time to see your thong.
Eddie, I get your point about being careful in the newsletter. We are. But occasionally Ironbear leaves a thumbnail with nudity in it in the store and I pick it up for the newsletter. MY point is, I occasionally make mistakes. I will probably make one again no matter how careful I am. A simple notice would suffice and be appreciated. I don't need a lecture from you on it every time I do.
And the matter of your deleted images seems very relevant to this thread to me, because it seems you are upset that your images were deleted, but we have different rules for the newsletter. You in fact said as much in an email to me.
Now, this has taken way too much of my attention and time. I'm done with it.
Last edited by DTHUREGRIF on Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:34 pm; edited 1 time in total
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