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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:40 am Post subject: Re: Top liked/disliked hero/villan
I didn't think it was that bad a topic
I guess I will start it.
Liked heroes
Batman - Sort of the prototypical everyman hero. He is smart, well trained and with a keen eye but that is about it. He has flaws but does the right thing.
Collosus - I guess I like the strong silent type. Someone doesn't have to be funny, hip etc to make a good hero.
Hellboy - Sort of combining the first two, strong, everyman, flawed plus good stories and a solid character that seems more grounded and not as formulaic.
Disliked heroes
These are going to get a lot of people annoyed probably ...
Superman - Too goody goody, the big flaw with hm is that he isn't flawed. I can respect him and the heritage but I just don't like him. This probably comes from me being highly flawed myself but he also is hard to relate to.
Spiderman - He should work for me but he just doesn't appeal to me. He has more depth, he changes and adapts, has a lot of everyman qualities has a good villan lineup but then just falls short. I think it is partly that he has too many goofy clones, convoluted stories, etc. But past that I am not really positive why. He just is there.
Cyclops - Goody, goody, boring. Flaws but I just don't care. He is like the annoying, all-star football player pretty boy in high school that dates the hot cheerleader, etc.
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Top liked/disliked hero/villan
The villains section is a bit harder for me. I hate all of the venom, carnage things but I am not even sure if they are worth a mention. Anyway .. here goes.
Liked villains
Joker - Just the perfect match of crazy to the calm of Batman ... He really is an underpowered villain but he just works.
Mr. Freeze - Since the Batman Animated show hit the airwaves he has always been one of my favorite foes. I like pretty much all of Batman villains but these two hit it just right for me.
Green Goblin - There was just something about the original that worked well. I would really like to do my ultimate version of him one of these days but he has a charm as he stands (or stood).
Disliked villains
Galactus - Eater of worlds, omnipotent dork that can't really get much done but could destroy anything. It was great in the Kirby days when heroes seemed to have more power but he just has always seemed to be too powerful but, at the same time, too lazy, dorky to do anything.
Parallax - I just don't get the point of him ... It just seemed too soap opera-ish combined with professional wrestling with the good to evil switch, etc. I know it was an outside force, etc. but it still just seemed to be too ... whatever.
Sabertooth - I like him in spirit and he is a good antithesis to Wolverine but I just hate the fact that he is soooooo one dimensional. Grrrrr
Only three? I'd have trouble narrowing it to thirty. I've got some eccentric minor likes - Megalith, the Kree Captain Marvel - but if it's got to be three:
Captain America, because he represents values we should all aspire to - primarily, the effort to do the right thing, every single time - and because the costume is a classic design.
Superman, because he's the original and still the archetype, a timeless character set-up (until they cocked it up by marrying him), and again, a classic design.
...and Spider-Man, a genuine original, one more inspired design and a perfect character, the luckless kid whose conscience won't let him stop trying.
Villains are much harder to choose. Dr. Doom became more rounded and interesting when he began to be treated as a genuine monarch, and the Holocaust angle on Magneto, much as some people hate it, is inspired and makes him perhaps the most richly-characterised villain in comics. But favourites?
Personal choices:
Kid Miracleman, from Alan Moore's Miracleman: helped by Garry Leach's art, one scary MF, the devil in a three-piece suit.
The Joker, because he's as mad as mad gets.
The Red Skull: Nazism which never gives up and never dies. The Nazis are, in popular culture at least, top villains of all time, and this is the Nazi who thinks Hitler was too left-wing.
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: Top liked/disliked hero/villan
It is hard, soooo many LOL But yep, that is why I sort of started it since I saw Captain America was a favorite of yours. It is just weird how some people can gravitate so much toward one ot the other, etc.
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Top liked/disliked hero/villan
Nice topic.
Here in Portugal is very hard to find people that like Cap. So i am very pleased to find in this topic some friends that have same taste as me.
My Likes will start (obviously) with CAPTAIN AMERICA, because it was the first hero intruduced to me and i was amazed with the fact that a man could make the diffrence, specially because he (steve rogers) had some fisical problems.
BATMAN is another of my likes, because he is a billionaire (or more) and he "waste" his life fighting crime. I think THAT is amazing. When he should be having fun and spending all the money he has on having a colorful life his risking his own life to help someone.
WOLVERINE / PUNISHER are my third choice because they could easely be the bad guy but the choose to do good with all the "freedom" they have. Making the saying "AN EYE FOR AN EYE" very true.
Dislakes.....
SUPERMAN (in Comics) i HATE HIM. too much "impossible to kill" making him something that could not be beliveble. (in movies/ Tv) i like him a little. (strange)
Iron Man, i don't like him because anyone could be him. Just wear the suit.
Silver Surfer....don't know how to explain because i never had the patiance to read a COMPLETE story featuring him
The Superman I prefer is the one who's less powerful, either the earliest or John Byrne's post-Crisis revision. As for Silver Surfer, try the Essential Silver Surfer, reprinting the Lee-Buscema issues of his own title: Stan Lee's most literary work, and incredible drawing.
Spawn. Just seems a completely unnecessary character, with no interesting elements apart from Sam and Twitch (who look nicked from Helfer's Shadow), no explanation for the costume... I gave it a good chance, read the first year or so, and although I'm not a MacFarlane fan, that's not a factor, because I nearly chose SkateMan.
And, here's the heresy... Wolverine! Wolverine used to be a man fighting to be more than an animal, a man driven to kill but resolved not to. Now, he's the crazy psycho wildman with knives on his hands, and he's young and cute and got a goatee and everything. Cool!
Villains?
Captain Boomerang. Just look at him.
The Tarantula. Spikes on his feet. For God's sake.
The New Clear Warlock. Neal Adams can draw like nobody's business, but he really needs a writer. Every time.
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Hero...
Likes...
1st Batman, close 2nd Wolverine, distant 3rd Punisher.
Dislikes
1st like GhostofMc, I am going with Spiderman. Sometimes I think he is great and then he starts whinning again.
2nd and 3rd...there are so many that of course we don't like or we would all be poor from buy too much crap. But spiderman is someone that a person could like but don't. _________________ www.jamica.org
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: Top liked/disliked hero/villan
The hero character who I both love and hate equally is Captain America. I love the character as he was written in the original 40's stories, the 60's "Tales of Suspense" series, and the 70's "Invaders" series. When Simon, Kirby, Lee, and Thomas were controlling the character, he was great.
Over the years, I've come to despise the character as he has developed. Steve Englehart became the writer in the early 70's. Under Englehart's influence, Cap no longer thought or acted like a man who came of age in the 40's. He seemed to echo Englehart's youthful personal views too closely for being a man from the older generation. The character became less authentic. Besides Englehart's wimpy characterization, I've also come to despise the overly bulked-up physique Cap is drawn with today. Kirby drew the character with an acrobatic fighting style, a less exaggerated build, and without the silly huge oversize scales on his chest. The character looks just plain F____g wrong today, although I'm encouraged that Cap has picked up his tommy gun again. Lock and load baby!
Just don't get me started on "Ultimate Cap's" appearance. If they want to draw Cap correctly, I can only suggest a copy of "Captain America's Bicentenial Battles" (1976) with Kirby's pencils, and Barry Smith's inks. It was an exquisite one-shot over size comic showing Cap at his best.
I also have a love-hate for Dr. Doom. He was great in 60's and 70's comics, but the F.F.movie version was a total wimp. I hope they do a better job with Galactus in the next movie.
Wolverine, cute,young and with a goatee - whats not to like?
Seriously tho' folks ...
Naming no names but the best heroes, like Spiderman and Superman, have their vulnerable side - otherwise they are just so many posturing macho noggins.
The best villains/villianesses are what I would call 'guilty fantasies' - the ones you would really like to be and/or sleep with but feel slightly disgusted with yourself for feeling that way.
Or is that just me? _________________ A broken stereotype is a beautiful thing
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: Top liked/disliked hero/villan
There is truth in what you say, but the words "guilty" and "fantasy" shouldn't belong in the same thought for either a man or woman.
Being a minor league super-villain, I find Ms. Marvel's vulnerable side to be as engaging as her physical side.
It's hard to feel self-disgust when she's only colors and ink, instead of flesh and blood. In spite of all my villainous designs on her, I'll never be able to sleep with her.
As Popeye the Sailor used to say, "I 'yam what I 'yam".
--or was it Descartes who said that?
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