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Dthurgrif is right - its what psychologists call projection - you tend to put whatever aspects of yourself you don't like on to other people so you don't have to acknowledge or deal with them - well that's what my idiot's guide to Freud says.
Sorry to hear of your bad experiences PCGaijin, don't worry, you are talking in English - the problem is that they are listening in hostile. _________________ A broken stereotype is a beautiful thing
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:12 am Post subject: Re: Hostility.
You're are, I believe, moe than welcome to give your opinion, is something the adults (my age or up ) don't like to admit, but youngs have a kind of naive wisdom that we prefer not to aknowledge because it takes out any advantage we might have. After all, you people are the mai target at movies and almost everything, you have your life ahead of you and we have ours half spent, your are better looking than us, the clothes fits you bette and the law protects you. So the only thing we have left is the old yap about expierence and wisdom _________________ "Nobody moves! I dropped my brain!"
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:16 am Post subject: Re: Hostility.
Adults also have every power to thwop us squarely upon the noggin for any wrongdoings we have committed and also to control our allowances! Not to mention the obligatory respect we must give our elders. I'm only 16, so I have received my fair share of thwoppings.
Blimey!
Mandatory respect for elders?!
It seems to be mandatory contempt over in the UK. However it must be said that for the most part the feeling seems to be mutual. I guess it was ever thus.
Sadly most of it is down to prejudice, I know some very attractive sixty year olds and, also some very stupid ones. No one age has the monopoly on beauty or wisdom, its all down to the individual.
Good to hear from you Schizocheese, post again. _________________ A broken stereotype is a beautiful thing
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:11 am Post subject: Re: Hostility.
Over here in Asia "respect" for elders is very much emphasized. Showing any (obvious, at least) signs of contempt will earn one a swift smack and a good scolding. (I however seem to have become exempt from such treatment from my parents) And yes, I have heard of some really horrifying incidents pertaining to the kid/adult relations.
That sounds a bit grim, I suppose the adults dishing out the slaps feel that having suffered as kids it's their turn now - and so it goes on until someone is farsighted enough to break the cycle - your folks sound like they are making a start at least.
Like your avatar btw _________________ A broken stereotype is a beautiful thing
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Hostility.
palmers wrote:
or is it just that a lot of forum users are socially underequipped in the first place?
With rare exceptions, most computer artists are geeks or nerds in the first place, so yeah: "socially underequipped" is applicable. Geeks in any field aren't always the most socially ept people around.
* I'll add another to Diane's theory, and it's a spinoff of the "bravery of distance" thing: A lot of people really *don't* suffer fools or idiocy gladly, and the nature of 'Net interaction allows them to do so without immediate personal consequences.
In IRL, one may think that the guy spouting off is one patty shy of being a Happy Meal, but it's not always politic to state so. Especially if he/she is your boss, neigbor, wife's brother/sister, a cop... ;]
* There's another reason, and it's a spin off of offline factors: lack of critical thinking ability, and lack of ability to articulate in writing. Both of which come down to the state of "education" worldwide.
It's difficult for someone who doesn't *have* the writing/communications skills for debate and research and logical argumentation to refute a lot of discussion, so the online equivalent of "Oh yeah?" comes into play a lot. We're turning out way too many AOLers, and they're finding their way into forums and other online venues in mass quantities. [Because we're producing them in mass quantities]
It's not going to get better. I've been watching this proccess since around 1987 in various BBS's, Usenet, and then forums, online communities, and blog comments ever since.
Personally, I'd rather see an honest and intelligent flamewar like some of the older Usenet exchanges than peruse the majority of the "U sux!", "Oh yeah?" contests that pass for a "discussion" these days.
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Hostility.
PCGaijin wrote:
Yes, I have experienced it myself, many times, I hardly ever post anywhere because it happned so many times I started thinking I actually had a comunication problem. It wouldn't be impossible, since Inglish isn't my primary language, and I even tend to find people who doesn't ever understand me in person.
Hrmm... you don't seem to have a problem communicating in english in text, so I'm assuming that most of these have been in offline encounters?
Your english writing skills are pretty good for a non-native - better than for some I've encountered to whom english is supposed to be their "native tongue". ;]
That sounds a bit grim, I suppose the adults dishing out the slaps feel that having suffered as kids it's their turn now - and so it goes on until someone is farsighted enough to break the cycle - your folks sound like they are making a start at least.
Like your avatar btw
I hardly get hit actually, caught even, because when you're growing up you learn quite a few sneaky little tactics to get away with things.
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:42 pm Post subject: Re: Hostility.
schizo, your ingrishu is good 8 )
semi-seriously though, you type quite well, and are easily understandable. so... I don't think it's you.
same with thee, PC Gaijin, quite articulate I think..
then again.. you're here, most of the people that come here are reasonably intelligent, semi-tolerant, and quite nice once you get to know them. 8 )
On the "respect for age" thing... being one of the elder generation, we were taught to respect our elders, not neccessarily their opinions... but them as people. I think it was in the hopes that once we aged.. we'd recieve the same treatment... Hahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa..... still waiting for that 8 )
No... wait... I actually had a 17 year old say "Sir", and "Thank you" to me at a store not long ago. I only had to move out to far rural Oklahoma to see it before I died. ;] _________________ "I'd add a legitimate comment here, but that would mean reading everything, which I have no patience for." - Slynky
Ironbear, Sir, as may possibly be evident from my posts, I'm up for a ding dong as much as the next person (especially if the next person is Hasdrubal) but why bother if you don't have the necessary debating skills ?
Isn't that a bit like a one-legged man entering for an arse kicking contest,( if you'll pardon the expression)?
And what is an AOLer? and a BBS?
I'm still waiting for the respect for your elders thing to kick in too - the fact that it hasn't happened yet can only be attributed to my uncommonly youthful appearance. No doubt its the same with you guys. _________________ A broken stereotype is a beautiful thing
Ironbear, Sir, as may possibly be evident from my posts, I'm up for a ding dong as much as the next person (especially if the next person is Hasdrubal) but why bother if you don't have the necessary debating skills ?
Isn't that a bit like a one-legged man entering for an arse kicking contest,( if you'll pardon the expression)?
You don't have to call me "Sir". I work for a living.
[Quit looking at me like that, Wizz. It's kinda like "work", if you squint crosseyed. ]
It's never bothered me personally: I'm articulate in written discussion [and in verbal offline discussions and arguments/debate], and have the skills to handle a flamewar on several levels. I'm modest, too.
Yes, it is, kinda "like a one-legged man entering for an arse kicking contest". And I'm not sure why certain people insist on getting into discussions, arguments, or flamewars that they're not equipped to deal with.
But they do: I've been observing this phenomenon on the 'net since the early 90's. Possibly, they don't realise they don't have the logic, artuclation, and critical thinking skills needed to compete in certain social environs? And then when they do get into them, all they *can* fall back on is mispelled ad-hominems and rote recital of things they picked up elsewhere? *shrug*
I wil note that it's a continuing trend. All one has to do is spend *any* length of time reading blog comment threads to begin wondering how some of these people manage to remember how to breathe without a manual.
lectatege wrote:
And what is an AOLer? and a BBS?
AOLer: a (L)user who entered into the online world via AOL [America OnLine, also known as "Almost OnLine"]. Also known as "AOL Kiddies". ;]
There's a LOT of older 'net denizens, especially older usenet usenet posters and members of hackish subculture, who blame the degradation of the 'Net on AOL's making the internet easily accessible to people with absolutely no computer skills, and no Clue. AOL's culpability in this cretinous act is considered Evil and Rude, somewhat akin to Steve Cooper's act of unleashing Poser 5, for comparison. Evil, Bad and Wrong.
It's been September for a LONG time now. And it looks to be September for longer still... ;]
BBS: Bulletin Board System. A BBS is what we had before there was an "Internet". A BBS was kinda like a forum, only with no avatars, and only in text. They ran on DOS, Unix, or other archaic operating systems that didn't have a GUI.
Bulletin boards were usually owned and operated by a SysOp. A sysop is kinda like an admin, only with Godlike powers and meaner.
lectatege wrote:
I'm still waiting for the respect for your elders thing to kick in too - the fact that it hasn't happened yet can only be attributed to my uncommonly youthful appearance. No doubt its the same with you guys.
I'm not sure. I have to admit, I am exceptionally youthful appearing for a dinosaur.
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) don't like to admit, but youngs have a kind of naive wisdom that we prefer not to aknowledge because it takes out any advantage we might have. After all, you people are the mai target at movies and almost everything, you have your life ahead of you and we have ours half spent, your are better looking than us, the clothes fits you bette and the law protects you. So the only thing we have left is the old yap about expierence and wisdom 
