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Blimey, for the second time today although no wiser I am certainly a lot better informed. Thanks for all those most interesting links which I shall peruse at my leisure.
I don't know if you can lay all the blame at the door of newbieness (is that a word? it is now) - I am a very recent entrant to the wonderful world of cyberspace and though I am reasonably computer literate in very specialised areas the rest is strictly on a need to know basis.However I 'd like to think that I don't come accross as a complete AOLkiddie.
Speaking of which, while I have your ear o sage one, how do you make the quotes appear in a reply, and what does the ignore button do? I daren't press it in case everyone starts ignoring me.
And do you bear (arf arf, sorry about that strictly unintentional pune) any resemblance to your avatar?
If so you look pretty funky for a dinosaur. _________________ A broken stereotype is a beautiful thing
1) Use the quote button at the top right of their post, and then when it goes to the posting screen, trim out everything between the [quote ] [/quote ] tags except what you wish to quote.
2) No. ;] _________________ "I'd add a legitimate comment here, but that would mean reading everything, which I have no patience for." - Slynky
Well, one think I'm going to add is a comment to the origal poster's observation that we don't have a great deal of hostility towards posters at *this* site:
For the most part, a great deal of that's due to the membership, I believe. Mods and admins do very little "policing" around here. We don't have to do much of it.
That's an important key to having a working community: a membership that tends to discipline itself and doesn't tolerate certain behaviors. ;]
I think another aspect is that most members tend to know what I and the other mods won't put up with, and that we don't bluff or play games about it. _________________ "I'd add a legitimate comment here, but that would mean reading everything, which I have no patience for." - Slynky
I'd also venture to say that the members of this site seem a little smarter than those you can easily find on other forums. That's not to say everyone who posts elsewhere is dumb, just that the general level of intelligence here is a cut above.
It shows in the posts but to me it makes a certain amount of sense anyway, since as fans of comics, books, art and so on you have to be relatively 'aware' to fully appreciate what goes into most of them anyway. Also- and this relates to what Ironbear said above- I think the majority of members of this fairly unique site would be pretty keen to stay welcome as members so would be less likely to play the fool.
I will say that I'm not entirely adverse to "hostility" on the internet. I can deal with a lot of hostile 'net environments pretty well.
We decided at the inception that this site wasn't going to be a "free fire zone", but those have their place.
"Nettiquette" is an often abused word. It gets used for a lot of concepts that it didn't originally evolve to encompass. _________________ "I'd add a legitimate comment here, but that would mean reading everything, which I have no patience for." - Slynky
The Mods behavior, I bleieve, sets quite the mark for what you can expect on a site.
i've been to places where the mods (most of them, anyway) where complete bullies, that wanted to be adored and never argued with, and places where they were non existant. I can assue you both the experinces were, to say the least, unenlighting _________________ "Nobody moves! I dropped my brain!"
No moderators or absent mods can be a *lot* prefferable than heavily restrictive and arbitrary mods/admins. However, for a site to function with extremely light handed mods or no moderation... it absolutely *must* have a high proportion of responsible members with good judgement who can set the tone of the site and keep it on an even keel.
Sadly, a "high proportion of responsible members with good judgement" is a rarity at most internet community sites these days.
You have to have moderators and admins with good judgement too, or moderation just flat doesn't work. _________________ "I'd add a legitimate comment here, but that would mean reading everything, which I have no patience for." - Slynky
For you to have an idea what I mean, this site were there were the mods were absent, we had this guy posting links to pron sytes to exemplify what he was planning to do to a girl that poseted there, wha was turning 14 that day..... _________________ "Nobody moves! I dropped my brain!"
Yeah, a situation like that requires a hands on mod or admin.
As an example of what I meant: I'm kind of an "absentee admin" here - but I *do* look in and watch what's going on. I just seldom post unless a discussion grabs my interest, or a situation catches my attention.
Most of the time, I notice in mods forum that Sharby or another admin/mod has already seen it, and my input is limited to "Good catch, good call". No need for me to post and intervene - I trust their judgement and ability to handle things without Diane or myself needing to hold their hands.
That's I guess "light touch moderation", as opposed to "no moderation".
The only time [very rarely] that I step on something there is if it violates on of the 2 or 3 already established "don't do that" guidelines. Guiding rule of thumb is: "Don't piss off Ironbear or Elgeneralissimo" When I step on something there, it's as a forum member who just happens to have access to the admin panel, rather than as "Ironbear, Site Admin".
But that site *is* a free fire zone. It presumes that a) all members are responsible adults, b) members are responsible for their own behavior and actions and able to accept the consequences, c) members are able to deal with getting back exactly the degree of respect and courtesy they're willing to give other members, d) all members are capable of handling whatever fights they get into without running to me to protect them, and e) all members are intelligent and perceptive enough to observe and figure out the unwritten social rules [And read the Non-FAQ].
At some points, RFI would fall into Ian Palmer's definition of a "hostile net envionment", even though we get surprisingly few flame wars there.
Renderotica operates on yet another model of modding/adminning. It's a lot looser than here. But it works.
Three sites: Animotions, RFI, and Renderotica, all of which function pretty well, all with completely different mechanisms for handling moderation and community interactions. But what works at RFI with my members there wouldn't probably function well here, and I don't try to force it into place. _________________ "I'd add a legitimate comment here, but that would mean reading everything, which I have no patience for." - Slynky
[quote="Ironbear"]1) Use the quote button at the top right of their post, and then when it goes to the posting screen, trim out everything between the [quote ] [/quote ] tags except what you wish to quote.
Why! So it does!
Silly me was trying to highlight the quote on the post and then press the quote button, not paying any attention to what was going on below
That will save wear and tear on the keyboard, thank you.
Joined: Jun 28, 2004 Posts: 200 Location: between here and insanity
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:39 am Post subject:
If you don't want to read someone's posts EVER, you click on the "Ignore" button. It blocks their text from being viewed by you. You can still see they start topics I think, but you can't read their posts. It also keeps them from PMing you, which I think would be the primary reason to use it if you're being harassed.
And speaking of the subject of non-moderation and non-responsible posters...
I made the mistake of clicking on the "discuss" link at the end of a Yahoo news report. This is a fine example of a combination of non moderation and irresponsible hostile members. It doesn't matter what the news report is about, it will become a collection of political, racial, and sexual slurs in a matter of minutes. _________________ "Flash, quit heckling the supervillain!" - Green Lantern
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Cheers Glitchgirl!
I don't know what PMing is but I take it that it's not nice.
Don't know if I could bear to use it myself though, I'm way too nosy, plus confrontation is as mother's milk to me.
Still and all much as I enjoy a good barney I couldn't be doing with any of this kindergarten 'yo mamma' style of debate, which being relatively inexperienced I only know by repute. Obviously this forum is a small island of civility in a rude and evil cyberworld. _________________ A broken stereotype is a beautiful thing
For you to have an idea what I mean, this site were there were the mods were absent, we had this guy posting links to pron sytes to exemplify what he was planning to do to a girl that poseted there, wha was turning 14 that day.....
If I had been a mod I would have posted a link referring him to the 'knackers in a vice' site to exemplify what I was planning to do...
but that's me innit
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When I step on something there, it's as a forum member who just happens to have access to the admin panel, rather than as "Ironbear, Site Admin".
