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Quibble all you want. Internet access's not available for free everywheres here, either. And there's still a wealth of information available for the taking. If someone is hungry for knowledge, they'll find a way to get access.
If someone can afford a TV, the Uk's television lisence, movies, comics, and DvDs... they can afford books and an internet connection. It's a matter of choices.
If they can't... then they're not going to have much access to your mainstream media infusion, will they?
The key phrase is "willfully ignorant". Someone who isn't hungry for it won't take advantage if it's laid out in front of them..
The key phrase is 'laid out for them.'
For those with a decent education and/or motivation and/or money further education is laid out for them.
For those with little of the above it is not, your choice is illusory in the real world.
Ironbear wrote:
lectatege wrote:
You were lucky Ironbear, you had a father who was a remarkable man in his own person, and who knew the value of education - maybe you would have made it anyway, who knows?
But would you condemn a child to a life of poverty and ignorance because its parents were poor and ignorant?
There are few, very few people who have the wit and determination to raise themselves out of the mire without encouragement in some form or another - do you believe that the rest are beyond redemption? If a man is drowning do you refuse to throw him a line because he hasn't learned how to swim, or if he doesn't see the line or misses it a few times do you then walk away?
I was given examples. Following up on them was entirely up to my own determination.
I disagree, the example and education that you were lucky enough to have already predisposed you to follow it up.
Now obviously that wouldn't have happened had you been a complete dink, and equally as I stated before it is not impossible that you wouldn't have succeeded without your privileged start in life but don't tell me that your formative experience had no bearing on your later delight in learning.
Interestingly I was reading the other day that when we learn a new piece of information natural opiates are released to latch onto specific receptors in the brain to give us a little reward, so maybe we avid readers are just junkies..
But fascinating as this all is, it is not really relevant - we have digressed into a discussion about the role of mainstream media as an educator in a formal information disseminating sense - a role for which it is poorly equipped.
What I was talking about was something a little more subtle, the ability of mainstream media to inform a mindset.
If a child grows up seeing men, women, or people of different colours perpetually depicted in a certain way that will inevitably make an impression and lead to pre-judgement of real life situations.
Similarly if a child watches cartoons or films showing heroes behaving heroically and the child is able to identify with that hero(ine) there is a greater chance that he or she will emulate their example.
If we want people to behave well then you have to sow the seeds of that, and one of the most direct and effective way of reaching the greatest number is through mainstream media - no point in preaching to the converted is there?
Ironbear wrote:
lectatage wrote:
Well, I have been hearing these voices saying "Go on the Animotions site, Lectatege, and show them the error of their ways"...
When were you planning to start?"
There's none so deaf as them as don't want to hear Bear (lol) _________________ A broken stereotype is a beautiful thing
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"Similarly if a child watches cartoons or films showing heroes behaving heroically and the child is able to identify with that hero(ine) there is a greater chance that he or she will emulate their example."
Now we're talking role models, and that's where I think one big problem is with mainstream superheroes recently. Superman, Spider-Man and Wonder Woman are role models, whatever they do, and when Wonder Woman punches a normal man's head off the wrong example is being set.
I think it's interesting that DC and Marvel jointly have supposedly trademarked the term "superhero". Heroes behave heroically; those who don't aren't heroes. Those who argue that anti-heroic superheroes are reflecting their society presumably haven't noticed that in that society there are no superheroes.
I'm cautiously encouraged by the brighter, more classical tone of the new Green Lantern and Atom titles, and Kurt Busiek's assignment to Superman. Perhaps the heroes are coming back.
IMP. _________________ RIVER: skin on the outside. First chapter FREE from www.ianmpalmer.com
When I was kid, the Silver Surfer was my favorite hero.
When I was a teenager, my heroes were rock n' roll stars.
In my twenties, I thought I was invincible and always right and so had no dominant hero figures
In my thirties, my heroes were writers and thinkers whose outlook agreed with my own...Schwaller De Lubicsz, Ouspensky, Van Sertima, Eagle Man Ed McGa, Tri Thong Dang, etc.
Now in my forties, my heroes are the imaginary ones I make up for my own stories.
I think all through my life I made my heroes to be larger than life, the real life ones were immaculate in my mind AT THAT TIME...and I think that's the real role heroes play: heroes/heroines are the epitomy of what one holds sacred at a certain period in their life.
Sorry. I got distracted by that Real Life thing, and it sorta got away from me... ;]
That Real Life stuff should be banned. It's dangerous. _________________ "I'd add a legitimate comment here, but that would mean reading everything, which I have no patience for." - Slynky
Well, "Bad Thing" would be overstating it a bit, I think.
But when it gets in the way of interesting frivolity and inconsequentiality - it's just GOT to go. ;] _________________ "I'd add a legitimate comment here, but that would mean reading everything, which I have no patience for." - Slynky
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